5.Patrick Clancy — Cross (Part 3)
994 linesBAILIFF: Court, all rise. Jurors entering.
BAILIFF: This court is now in session. Please be seated.
COURT CLERK: Your Honor, for the purpose of the record, we return back to the trial of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. All parties are present, including the defendant and including the 18 jurors.
THE COURT: All right. Well, members of the jury, thank you for your patience with us. What we're gonna now, gonna do at this point is we're gonna return to the evidence. We have witness Patrick Clancy, who testified earlier, is now being recalled, as I said, for the purpose of cross-examination. Okay. All right, counsel.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you, Judge.
MR. REDDINGTON: Afternoon, Mr. Clancy. You and I have certainly met before, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Would you agree with me that I went with you and your brothers, and maybe some other people into your home very shortly after the state police finished with searching and removing what they felt was evidence from the home?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you recall that went into different rooms and looked at different things, and I think I took some photographs and things of that nature. Do you remember that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So if I may, you met Lindsay back when she was in school, or was she working as a nurse?
PATRICK CLANCY: She was at the MGH Institute.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the MGH Institute is like Mass General Hospital nursing program, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: She had some kind of like an accelerated course or something—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: ... had a double major.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: She was a very good student.
PATRICK CLANCY: She was, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And she, at a relatively young age, got her RN and was a nurse at Mass General, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And at Mass General, she was a—they call it L&D—a labor and delivery nurse. Is that it?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember how many years she worked at Mass General?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think she started in 2014.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember when she graduated from nursing school?
PATRICK CLANCY: Six months earlier.
MR. REDDINGTON: And were you guys in a relationship then or was—
PATRICK CLANCY: We were, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And had you started living together in Southie, or was that before that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Not in Southie. We didn't live together in Southie. We lived together in Quincy.
MR. REDDINGTON: Quincy. Okay. Tell us a little bit about... You know Lindsay, obviously, maybe the most. How did she like being a nurse?
PATRICK CLANCY: She loved it. I think it was her dream.
MR. REDDINGTON: Would you say that she enjoyed her work and helping people?
PATRICK CLANCY: Definitely, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So there's been some commentary here from the government about that she was anxious because she had to go back to work, like she didn't want to go to work. She's lazy or whatever the case may be.
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: This is sustained. If you could rephrase that.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right, so I'll strike lazy then. That she didn't wanna go back to work. But I believe you said in answer to the DA, there was a reason that you could see that she was anxious about going back to work, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, was she anxious about going back to work, to your knowledge, because she just didn't wanna work?
MR. REDDINGTON: What was the reason?
PATRICK CLANCY: She struggled to be away from our kids at a young age.
MR. REDDINGTON: So when you guys ultimately moved to Duxbury, did you have children then?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And as the years went by, you obviously had more, more children. Ultimately, you got three children, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: You told us about her birth with Cora, and—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: … Cora, it was a bit of a rough birth. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, she didn't have time to get an epidural, and she bled a lot.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you, in the years that you lived with Lindsay as boyfriend and girlfriend, fiancés, and then ultimately husband and wife, do you recognize her handwriting?
PATRICK CLANCY: I haven't seen it in a long time, but… So I'm not sure.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
MR. REDDINGTON: While counsel's looking at that, is it your understanding, would she take notes or lists and—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: … for work and home and things of that nature?
PATRICK CLANCY: She would, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Excuse me. I'm gonna approach you, sir, with this document, and just ask if you can recognize—excuse me—if you can recognize the handwriting.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, that looks like her handwriting.
MR. REDDINGTON: Looks like Lindsay's handwriting?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: So I'm going to throw it in there after this.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: Yes.
THE COURT: All right. If I could see counsel.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 57.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you see that, Mr. Clancy?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Pull it away a little bit. Looking at this, what does it appear to be to you, if you know?
MR. REDDINGTON: Does it appear to be notes of deliveries that she was involved with?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: You see the first one? What's the date, if you can read it? I can't.
PATRICK CLANCY: It says May 11th, 2015.
MR. REDDINGTON: And does that indicate, would that, to your knowledge, be around when she started working as a labor and delivery nurse?
PATRICK CLANCY: I thought she started a little early, but I'm not sure.
MR. REDDINGTON: You see the name of the little girl that was born on that date that was her first delivery?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: What's the name?
PATRICK CLANCY: It's Cora.
MR. REDDINGTON: And is that the reason you guys named Cora Cora?
PATRICK CLANCY: It was, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell the jurors, as a husband living with Lindsay over the years, what kind of a mother was she?
PATRICK CLANCY: She was very dedicated. She did everything. She started reading them books at three months. And she made up songs for them. I remember she used to make green eggs and ham for Cora, because she liked that book.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is that one of the Dr. Seuss books?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. She brought them to music classes.
MR. REDDINGTON: You're quite the musician yourself, isn't that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I play a few instruments, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: You play guitar?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: In your home, one of the things that appears to be striking is that almost every room, other than maybe a bed—well, actually a bedroom, but was dedicated to children. Would you agree with that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, you didn't have a fancy dining room, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: We did not, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: What did you have in the dining room?
PATRICK CLANCY: We had the table that I grew up with.
MR. REDDINGTON: How about stuff on the wall in the different rooms? Did you... Did she put things, wall hangings on the walls for the kids?
PATRICK CLANCY: There was a lot of art projects, stickers, things like that.
MR. REDDINGTON: There would be hangings from the wall?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: One of the photographs that the government had—
MR. REDDINGTON: Was a photograph that, excuse me, if you can identify for us, is this photograph a fair and accurate depiction of one of your rooms?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what room would that be?
PATRICK CLANCY: That's the playroom.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'd offer this, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: All right, that may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 58.
THE COURT: Thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: If I may put Exhibit 58 up so the jurors in his honor can see it. There's some kind of like, looks as though it's boxed out window. So are we standing in the kitchen looking into that room through that boxed out window?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And all those objects, obviously, that are in that room would be kids' toys and things of that nature, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recognize this photograph as being, let's say, just a sample or sampling of the kids' rooms?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Which room was it?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think it was Dawson's.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. I'd offer this.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: All right, that may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 59.
THE COURT: All right, thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: This one here has a bunch of stickers. It's got Bruce Lightyear or whatever his name is over to the right, and it's got an alphabet, A, B, C, D, things of that nature, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: It's... Yeah, it's PAW Patrol.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And again, following through on that same theme, you recognize this photograph as well being another portion of that wall?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what are those, decals?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, they're just big stickers.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. In the interest of time, Your Honor, I would just say you also identified this as being one of the kids' walls. Would that be what you were telling us would be art projects?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And they were hanging on the wall?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And who hung them on the wall?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think Lindsay did.
MR. REDDINGTON: And would she also take hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pictures of the kids?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall her putting together a little collage saying newborn, one month, two months, three months, four months, and then hanging that on the wall?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, she did it for each kid.
MR. REDDINGTON: And which child was that?
PATRICK CLANCY: That one's Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: Dawson. Did you have occasion to see her interact with Dawson as a—
THE COURT: Hey, did you wish to introduce those photographs?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, I did. Thank you. I appreciate it.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 60 and 61.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you describe for the jurors her relationship with Dawson? I know he's a little kid, but, I mean, does she... To your observation, did she love Dawson?
PATRICK CLANCY: She loved Dawson very much.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did she resent him?
MR. REDDINGTON: You are familiar with, as her husband, Lindsay's, let's say, use of social media such as Facebook, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell us, would you look at her Facebook a lot and the pictures that she would post?
PATRICK CLANCY: To be honest, no, not really.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Were you able to identify any of her postings on Facebook?
PATRICK CLANCY: Probably.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Representative, over the years, over the period of time, I'm gonna ask if you can identify this particular Facebook.
MS. SPRAGUE: Your Honor, if we may approach briefly.
THE COURT: Sure, yeah. Counsel.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibits 63 through 75.
MR. REDDINGTON: Mr. Clancy, you know, and if I ask a question, and it's difficult for you, if you need a break, I'm sure that, you know, we will certainly give you a break.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: If I push too hard, just let me know.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep. Appreciate it.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So again, just representative of the Facebook postings that Lindsay would post as the mother of your children. This, for example, would be July of 2018.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell the jurors who that would be?
PATRICK CLANCY: That's Cora.
MR. REDDINGTON: Cora.
MR. REDDINGTON: Moving forward, say June of 2021. Can you tell us who that—
PATRICK CLANCY: That's Cora and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
MR. REDDINGTON: Again, the end of July 2021.
PATRICK CLANCY: That's us with Cora and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: August 2021.
PATRICK CLANCY: Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
MR. REDDINGTON: End of August 2021.
PATRICK CLANCY: That's Cora and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: August, again, of '21.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's Cora and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: November 1 of '21.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's Cora and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is that first day of preschool?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: September of '21.
PATRICK CLANCY: That's Lindsay and Cora.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you re— Was that some kinda like a family fun day, if you recall, where there was like lots of things for kids to get in?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: The end of September of '21.
MR. REDDINGTON: Callan.
PATRICK CLANCY: No, that's, that's Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: Dawson, okay. September '21. And Callan was born when, I'm sorry?
PATRICK CLANCY: May 2022.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And Christmas Eve— ... December 24th of 2021.
PATRICK CLANCY: That's Cora's birthday.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And that's her birthday party that year?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now that's 2021, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Fast-forward one year, and that would be December, Christmas of 2022, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And was that when you guys had the birthday party for— ... Cora at the trampolines?
MR. REDDINGTON: When was that?
PATRICK CLANCY: I believe it was January 7th.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. But that was the... That would've been for that particular birthday, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: That was for the birthday with friends, because most people weren't available on Christmas Eve.
MR. REDDINGTON: Christmas Eve, right.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And then...again, September 1st of '22. Do you remember when that was taken?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. That's with Callan and Dawson.
MR. REDDINGTON: And was that your yard?
PATRICK CLANCY: That's in the backyard.
MR. REDDINGTON: Backyard, okay. This would have been September of '22, obviously right before '23, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And again, for this one here, July of '22, can you tell the jurors, you guys had a pretty good summer that year?
PATRICK CLANCY: It was a good summer. Yeah. That was on Cape Cod.
MR. REDDINGTON: This picture was on Cape Cod?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Couple of points that I wanted to raise, sir, with you.
MR. REDDINGTON: We have an email sent from your... Is it Surface Pro? Is that what it's called?
PATRICK CLANCY: No, it was my laptop.
MR. REDDINGTON: Laptop?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna approach you, sir, and ask if you can identify this as being an email that you sent.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So off of that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you object?
MS. SPRAGUE: I'd just like to know the purpose of, of—
MR. REDDINGTON: Purpose?
MS. SPRAGUE: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'll tell you the purpose.
THE COURT: No, you—
MS. SPRAGUE: Could we do it at sidebar?
THE COURT: Sure. Yeah.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay, thank you. That may be admitted.
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, while we're waiting for the copy, let me just move on to something else. Do you recall yesterday the district attorney was asking you a question or stated to you that on December 2nd of 20—2022, that you and your wife went to a fancy hotel in Boston, and she had a massage, and you both had a big dinner? Do you recall her asking you that question?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And in fact, would you agree, sir, that you did not in fact go to a fancy hotel on December 2nd of '22? Being a Saturday night before your anniversary, the 3rd. You stayed at home, didn't you?
PATRICK CLANCY: We did. We stayed at home.
MR. REDDINGTON: And when you were asked that question by the DA, she wanted the inference to be that Lindsay Clancy, in December of '22, was so relaxed that she wanted to have a massage and have a big dinner in a hotel. In fact, she was in her bed, in her bedroom that night, wasn't she?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained. If you could rephrase that.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm approaching you with what appears to be...
MR. REDDINGTON: From...
MR. REDDINGTON: One of the photographs that the district attorney had showed you yesterday with her in a mask, and I believe the Dawson in the mask.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, that photograph, sir, was actually preserved, if you will, on the Laptop Pro computer. Is that right?
MR. REDDINGTON: Did she send that to you?
PATRICK CLANCY: She sent it to my computer.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't know.
MR. REDDINGTON: And where was she? Do you remember when that picture was taken? Let me just show you—
PATRICK CLANCY: I didn't even see it.
MR. REDDINGTON: ... Yeah. Okay. That's what the photograph was.
PATRICK CLANCY: It looks like they're at the doctor.
MR. REDDINGTON: At the doctor's office, okay. And can you tell me the date that that picture, right here in the corner at the top, what date was that picture taken? It was sent to you on the computer.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's December 2nd.
MR. REDDINGTON: The same date that we're talking about, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what time was the picture sent?
PATRICK CLANCY: 12:45 PM.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So the jury...
MR. REDDINGTON: Can see. So when you're dealing with these things on the computers...
MR. REDDINGTON: It's a little hard sometimes to understand what they're depicting, and I'm having a hard time moving it. There we are. All right. Right there. You see that there? That's the date that we're talking about, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: Just to clarify, though, I... It looks like that was on an iPhone.
MR. REDDINGTON: Oh, I'm sorry. iPhone.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. It was sent to you, though.
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And it was on December 2nd, the date that the DA was suggesting you were in Boston having massages and dinner, right?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection. That was December 3rd.
THE COURT: All right.
THE COURT: Yeah. If you can answer that.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall, sir, that she also had sent you, the same day, or taken a picture of what appears to be Cora's Christmas list, wish list? Is that what that is?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And if you look at the record on that, that was sent...
MR. REDDINGTON: If you can read that.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's December 2nd at 6:13 PM.
MR. REDDINGTON: 6:13 PM. And then finally, if you look at the metadata that is apparently buried in the photograph, it gives latitude and longitude of where the photograph was taken. Is that right? Are you familiar with metadata? I would imagine.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, that's our address.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And that would be the metadata with the latitude and the longitude, and shows you where these photos were taken, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. What about for these, Your Honor?
THE COURT: So I think we had Exhibit 76. They're making a copy of that, that... Do you wanna mark that? I don't know if we marked that yet. That was the earlier one, just so everybody can keep this straight. And this latest email would be Exhibit 77?
COURT REPORTER: That was what I knew was gonna be 76.
MR. REDDINGTON: That would be the letter, the email?
COURT REPORTER: The one that was just copied.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, the email right here. Yeah.
COURT REPORTER: There's two pages.
THE COURT: Yes.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 76 and 77.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, sir, Exhibit 76 is it, is an email from you to... And we will, gonna delete the people that are on the email, if I may, Your Honor, as we mark it as an exhibit. Let me approach you. Does it indicate the date and the time, at the very top, you sent that email to your staff members or people that work with you?
PATRICK CLANCY: It does, yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: Tell the jury what the date was.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's January 24th at 5:24.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that was sent from your Surface Pro?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't know, actually. It could've been sent from my iPhone.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. What about for this one? However you got it.
THE COURT: Yeah. That would be Exhibit, Exhibit 76.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, when was Callan born?
PATRICK CLANCY: May 26th, 2022.
MR. REDDINGTON: My memory serves that it was a good birth. It was an—not easy birth, but I mean, there were no complications.
PATRICK CLANCY: There were no complications.
MR. REDDINGTON: And were both of you very happy with Callan being—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: ...born healthy and—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. We felt very lucky.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then this, in that summer of '22, you had one of the best summers that you've had, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: What happened in September, October of 2022?
PATRICK CLANCY: Lindsay's mental health started to deteriorate.
MR. REDDINGTON: And when you say that, sir, what is it that you, as her husband, observed?
PATRICK CLANCY: Just increased stress and anxiety.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did she, as a result of that, go to see or reach out for help to see someone?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And who was that?
PATRICK CLANCY: I believe it was Jennifer Tufts.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, Jennifer Tufts is a psychiatrist?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And where was her—where was she located?
PATRICK CLANCY: I never went to her office. Somewhere on the South Shore.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember when Lindsay went to see Jennifer Tufts?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't remember the exact date. I think it was sometime in September. Oh, I wasn't really involved at the beginning of Jennifer Tufts's—
MR. REDDINGTON: Of course.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall that the difficulties or the troubles, so to speak, began in, towards the end of September into October of '22?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, it was pretty gradual.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. But do you remember when the DA asked you yesterday whether or not you used your computer to Google suicide in, I think it was August of '22? Do you remember her asking you that question?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you remember your response?
PATRICK CLANCY: No, honestly.
MR. REDDINGTON: You didn't Google that, did you?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think I did, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: No. But I'm gonna show you, sir, a web history of your computer. Have in mind that the question was asked of you as to whether or not in August of '22 you Googled suicide, and you responded no, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: The inference being, I guess, that back in August of '22, she wouldn't Google it apparently, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Sure.
MR. REDDINGTON: You know a guy named Tim Hall?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think you mean Tom Hall.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, Tom Hall. I apologize. Who's Tom Hall?
PATRICK CLANCY: He's a musical artist.
MR. REDDINGTON: He's a what artist?
PATRICK CLANCY: Like a musical, like a country artist.
MR. REDDINGTON: Country. Is he like a guitar-playing guy or singer?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. Was.
MR. REDDINGTON: When you say was, what happened to him?
PATRICK CLANCY: He committed suicide.
MR. REDDINGTON: And I'm gonna show you, sir, your Surface Pro records back in August of '22. Do you recall Googling the name Tom Hall so you could access one of his new albums or new records?
PATRICK CLANCY: I do remember briefly listening to Tom Hall's music.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Now you've never seen—I haven't—you haven't seen this document before, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. And this would be, I'm sure you're probably familiar with, when you get a phone dump or a computer records dump—
PATRICK CLANCY: Mm-hmm.
MR. REDDINGTON: ... you get a printout of all the sites that somebody would go on, Google, Wikipedia, things like that.
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: So if you can look to the right.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: Down a little bit. And you see, I think it says Tom Hall.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: What does it say on Tom Hall?
PATRICK CLANCY: It says his Wikipedia page.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yep. Let me see here.
MR. REDDINGTON: So...
MR. REDDINGTON: Here we've got...
MR. REDDINGTON: So that shows you when somebody Googles, and then it goes Wikipedia. And you see where up above it says suicide methods?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now you didn't, as you said to the DA, you didn't Google suicide methods, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I didn't Google suicide methods, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: But in fact, sir, when you Googled Tom Hall, it took you to the Wikipedia page, and it said that he died, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: He did, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then you clicked on the Wikipedia page, and it went into a hyperlink. Do you know what a hyperlink is? I imagine you do.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Hyperlink.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: What is a hyperlink? Just so I know.
PATRICK CLANCY: So like in Wikipedia, it would be a word that's highlighted in blue, and it goes to a website.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So if I suggest to you, sir, that as you move down on your searches that afternoon, that you were looking at Tom Hall, that it brought you to ways to commit suicide, suicide, Tom Hall, Google search again Tom Hall, all on that date at the same time, and you were just looking to see about the guy 'cause he killed himself, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, I think so.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'd offer this, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: Can I just see the packet?
THE COURT: Oh, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Again, Your Honor, I got that discovery from the DA, so that's...
MS. SPRAGUE: Well, it's an email from his expert, not us.
THE COURT: We'll just give—just take a look at it, and we'll kinda go from there. One second.
MR. REDDINGTON: While she's looking at that, I just ask, what is a URL? What does that mean?
THE COURT: Hold on a second. Just—
MR. REDDINGTON: Oh, all right.
THE COURT: ... wait until she gets a chance to finish.
MS. SPRAGUE: Yes, I would object.
THE COURT: If I could see counsel.
MR. REDDINGTON: So while that's being marked exhibit E for ID, basically, that would at least refresh your memory, sir, that, in fact, inadvertently, that you touched the Wikipedia thing for suicide, but it was for Tom Hall, the singer, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Sounds like that was the case.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall what medication Lindsay was put on by Dr. Tufts?
PATRICK CLANCY: She started with Zoloft.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, counsel had asked you about whether or not Lindsay was on Zoloft or any SSRI antidepressant medication in the past. Do you remember that question?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember her asking about, that you were having a conversation with her, and she said that she was going on Zoloft, and that she had already been to Tufts, or was it Tufts that she get the script from?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. She told you that, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: She didn't hide that from you, right?
MR. REDDINGTON: And you were at a wedding. Is that right? You were walking down the street, the two of you together, like at the end of the night, and she basically told you that she had to use the meds.
PATRICK CLANCY: It was earlier in the day. It was before the wedding, but yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And do you recall how, to your observation, how dedicated was she to taking her medications as instructed by the numerous doctors that she ultimately saw?
PATRICK CLANCY: She always took them as instructed.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember, did she in fact have a diary that she kept, of the milligrams, the type of medication, the date that she took the medication, and what, if any, reactions that she had to it? Do you recall that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you remember where that was kept? Did she keep it in any particular place?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think she kept it in the kitchen.
MR. REDDINGTON: In the kitchen. So I'm gonna show you a photograph that the state police took in your house.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is this a fair and accurate picture, depiction of your kitchen?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So that kind of shows a bunch of books that are in a, like a cabinet or something, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna show you this enlarged spine, if you will, of a book, and ask if you ever saw that before.
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't recall seeing this.
MR. REDDINGTON: Would you agree, sir, that this book is in fact the same book, the same coloring that was in the bunch of books in your kitchen?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And on this book, you see what the caption of the book is?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, it says, "Good Moms Have Scary Thoughts."
MR. REDDINGTON: And I'm gonna approach you with this document, sir, which would be a number of pages from the book, the cover of the book, and the inside of the book. Just— you've never seen that before, though?
PATRICK CLANCY: Don't recall seeing this.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So with that understanding, Your Honor, I will not offer this at this time.
THE COURT: Counsel, if you could, Ms. Sprague, if you could show—
MS. SPRAGUE: It's not—
THE COURT: …what it is that you got.
MS. SPRAGUE: I'm sorry. You say you're not offering it?
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, I don't have the foundation, he says.
MS. SPRAGUE: Okay.
THE COURT: All right. Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: Okay. All right.
MR. REDDINGTON: So can I put it in?
THE COURT: Yes. That's fine.
MR. REDDINGTON: Oh, okay. Great. Thank you.
MS. SPRAGUE: Well, no objection to him not offering it.
THE COURT: All right. Now I'm lost.
MS. SPRAGUE: If I could just look at it. There may not—
THE COURT: Yeah. Why don't I—why don't we do this? Why doesn't everybody come over here with that, and we can kind of figure out where we go?
MR. REDDINGTON: I would offer the book, well, copy of the book.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: Okay, that may be admitted.
MR. REDDINGTON: Who was the next doctor, if you recall, that Lindsay went to consult with?
PATRICK CLANCY: Julie Paul.
MR. REDDINGTON: And is this a doctor or a nurse practitioner?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't remember with Julie Paul. It was very brief.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Now, is it fair to say that Julie Paul was at South Shore—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: …Medical Group?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And Julie Paul was a friend of your mother's, is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, I think they were acquaintances, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And your mother was a nurse also at South Shore Hospital.
PATRICK CLANCY: In L&D, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: L&D, labor and delivery. Same thing. Okay. And your mother was good enough to refer Lindsay to this person to consult with, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, I don't think it was a formal referral. I think she just said, "This is a specialist that you might wanna talk with."
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. And did she go to see this specialist?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did you go with her, or was this a—
PATRICK CLANCY: No, I never met Julie Paul.
MR. REDDINGTON: Were these, like, in-person meetings or are they, like, what do you call them? Zoom meetings and…
PATRICK CLANCY: Most of the meetings were Zoom. The only in-person that I'm aware of was with Rebecca Jollotta.
MR. REDDINGTON: Rebecca Jollotta. Okay. And that was because you insisted on it, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I thought it was warranted at that time, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right, because you were pretty much at your wit's end with the 15-minute Zooms, and you wanted to sit down eyeball to eyeball and talk to this person, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I hadn't attended any prior to that. I just wanted to get clarification. I wanted to get—see how, if we could get on the same page.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. So now Lindsay's on Zoloft from Dr. Tufts, the psychiatrist, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then that runs into when you guys, or she goes to see Nurse Paul.
PATRICK CLANCY: Can you clarify?
MR. REDDINGTON: What was that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Can you clarify what you're asking?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. What month? When was it that she saw Nurse Paul?
PATRICK CLANCY: Oh. Maybe October, but I'm not sure.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. When she saw Nurse Paul, do you remember where she saw Nurse Paul, or was it a video thing?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't know. I wasn't involved.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Did Nurse Paul prescribe medication to her?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: I'll allow it if he knows.
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't know off the top of my head.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. Do you recall whether or not, to your opinion, that she had any reactions to the Zoloft that she had been placed on by Dr. Tufts?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: I don't allow any observations that were made.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right. So it's not guesswork, it's observations. Anything you saw and observed.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, it seemed to align with her insomnia symptoms.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, the insomnia, inability to sleep, was that a significant problem from your observations with her?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, it was a huge problem.
MR. REDDINGTON: And when you say a huge problem, was there one point when she was on medication from Tufts that, in fact, she had gone 48 hours, I think, without sleep?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that was disturbing to her?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, and it was just hard to function.
MR. REDDINGTON: And how about you? Was it disturbing to you?
PATRICK CLANCY: I just wanted her to get sleep and feel better.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, during that period of time, she then went and saw the next doctor or nurse practitioner, which we talked about, which would be Nurse Practitioner Paul at South Shore, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, after seeing doctor—Nurse Practitioner Paul, if you remember... Or no. Did you observe, did she seem to get better, or did she seem to get worse?
PATRICK CLANCY: It would be hard to say. It was... I think it was a week at most. So, it's really hard to say in that short a timeframe.
MR. REDDINGTON: Sure. And when you say a week at most, you mean that that's, like, she was seeing Nurse Practitioner Paul for about a week?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, and I mean, she may have only seen her once. It was very brief, and then she got reassigned somewhere, so.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the reason, if you know, that she got reassigned somewhere would be doctor—Nurse Practitioner Jollotta, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Same practice, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the reason was because Paul moved on to another job, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: So Lindsay wasn't out doctor hunting, she was referred by the nurse practitioner that was referred to you guys by your mom because Paul was leaving, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, she just switched doctors in the same practice.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. Now, she sees Dr. Jollotta, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did Dr. Jollotta, to your knowledge, put her on medication?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what was the medication, if you know?
PATRICK CLANCY: Mainly Seroquel and benzodiazepines, Ativan.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, benzodiazepines, they're addictive, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Apparently.
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: I'll allow it.
MR. REDDINGTON: And a benzo would be, for example, Ativan, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, Seroquel, she was placed on Seroquel as well. Is that correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And to your observation, again, you're not a doctor, what you saw of your wife, was she affected positively or negatively by the Seroquel that she was on?
PATRICK CLANCY: It appeared that she was affected very negatively, and she's reporting that it, that she was getting worse on the Seroquel.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you know, did she report that to Dr. Jollotta?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: When she would consult with Dr. Jollotta prior to you actually going, do you know, were they all on video? If you know.
PATRICK CLANCY: I believe, yeah, they were all on Zoom.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Do you have any opinion for the jury as to approximately how long these meetings on Zoom would be with the nurse practitioner?
PATRICK CLANCY: Probably around 20 minutes.
MR. REDDINGTON: At some point, do you recall that you went with Lindsay to see Dr. Jollotta? Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you remember, if you remember, when that was?
PATRICK CLANCY: Early December.
MR. REDDINGTON: In early December of 2022, can you tell the jury from your observations, how did Lindsay appear? How was she acting? How was she faring?
PATRICK CLANCY: She was extremely sleep deprived and just highly anxious.
MR. REDDINGTON: Was there a number of occasions that you would actually see her on the sofa rocking back and forth with her head under a pillow?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did you report that and other symptoms to Dr. Jollotta?
PATRICK CLANCY: Lindsay did.
MR. REDDINGTON: So when was it, if you recall, that you went and saw Dr. Jollotta with your wife person to person?
PATRICK CLANCY: When was it?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yep.
PATRICK CLANCY: Early December. I think it was December 6th.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you remember, you have pretty good memory about this, do you remember what medication she was prescribed by Jollotta?
PATRICK CLANCY: Coming out of that meeting?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yep.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, she increased the Seroquel significantly. And then I... and then she prescribed her Valium to help taper off of the benzos.
MR. REDDINGTON: Taper off the benzos?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: To your knowledge, did Lindsay go to doctors to seek out benzodiazepines or drugs just because she was a drug addict?
PATRICK CLANCY: No. No, Lindsay, I think, wanted to... She definitely didn't wanna take any more benzodiazepines and definitely didn't wanna take any more Seroquel. I think that it wasn't really a matter of trying to get off the medication. It was just trying to get on the right medication.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Let's say mid-December, what observations, if any, heading up towards Christmas, did you guys endure?
PATRICK CLANCY: She seemed to get worse. The Seroquel was increased to 400 milligrams.
MR. REDDINGTON: 400?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. And, um—
MR. REDDINGTON: By Dr. Jollotta?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. And the idea behind that was it would help with sleep. But she didn't get better. She got worse.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall that at one point she went to a place called Women's and Infants—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: ... in Rhode Island?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Women and Infants Center for Women's Behavioral Health. Do you recall that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember when she actually went to Women's Behavioral Health?
PATRICK CLANCY: Sometime in mid-December. I don't know the exact date.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. So if I suggest to you, sir, that I have certified copies of the Women and Infants' medical records, indicating that on December 20th of 2022, that was the day that you dropped her off at Women... Does that refresh your memory?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Your Honor, I'd like to offer the certified copies of the Women and Infants Hospital records.
MS. SPRAGUE: I would object. We don't have a copy of those.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. REDDINGTON: You don't have them?
THE COURT: Could I see everybody here?
MR. REDDINGTON: So, Mr. Clancy, do you remember that day, December 20th of 2022—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: ...that she went to that place? How did she get there?
PATRICK CLANCY: I drove her.
MR. REDDINGTON: And do you remember dropping her off?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember what her state of mind was to go there? Was she scared? Was she happy? Was she...
PATRICK CLANCY: I think she was scared.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember what you did that day?
PATRICK CLANCY: I took Dawson skiing.
MR. REDDINGTON: And where did you go skiing?
PATRICK CLANCY: Watchetset.
MR. REDDINGTON: At some point in the afternoon, did you receive a phone call?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Was it from Lindsay?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And as a result of the phone call, what did you do?
PATRICK CLANCY: She said that, "You need to come pick me up, and the doctors here wanna talk to you, have you come in and talk for a bit."
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Did you go and talk to them?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember who you talked to?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't remember their names.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember the conversation? Did you describe or indicate what her symptoms were at that point in December 20th of 2022?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, the conversation was, they didn't—
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained at this time.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did the people at Women's and Infants facility in Rhode Island prescribe any medication, to your knowledge?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think so.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did they provide any counseling or anything?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think they tried to, but they felt that it wasn't the right fit for Lindsay.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Do you recall that in fact it was because that, of the drugs, they weren't sure what symptomology would be because of the drugs?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you recall whether or not the people at Women and Infants in Rhode Island reached out to Dr. Jollotta?
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection.
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think so.
THE COURT: Well, I'll... If he knows.
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think they did, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: And was it one day or half a day that she went to Women and Infants in Rhode Island?
PATRICK CLANCY: It was a half a day.
MR. REDDINGTON: Half a day. So after you pick her up and you bring her home, it's now you, and the kids, and Lindsay, and it's days before Christmas, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, and her parents were there.
MR. REDDINGTON: Why were her parents there?
PATRICK CLANCY: They were visiting, trying to help out, and I took Dawson to Watchetset, so they stayed home with Cora and Callan.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, during that timeframe in December of '22, maybe a little bit before, maybe after Thanksgiving, did your mom and dad, and Lindsay's parents come into, to your house and try to help out with the kids?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. I think it was separately, though.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, of course.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: It would be separate. I mean, what would they do?
PATRICK CLANCY: Just be there. Help out. Play with them. They'd get takeout. Play Scrabble.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did Lindsay's mother and father actually stay there and sleep in the basement for—
PATRICK CLANCY: They did, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Were you aware person— Let me back up. You and Lindsay, as husband and wife, would in effect sleep in the same bedroom. Is that correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: There was an occasion, though, that she said to you about you go downstairs, and then I think she ended up downstairs?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, for the purposes of her getting better sleep.
MR. REDDINGTON: And for her purposes of getting better sleep, were you aware that on one occasion she used a gummy, a sleep aid gummy? Did you know that?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't recall that, but we did have them in the house.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, to your knowledge, was Lindsay a person that liked to smoke the weed and use the CBDs oils and all that stuff? Or did she not imbibe in that?
PATRICK CLANCY: No, she didn't smoke.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you had these gummies in the house.
PATRICK CLANCY: Mm-hmm.
MR. REDDINGTON: Sleep aid, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I mean, some people might call them a sleep aid.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Heading into the holidays of '22, do you recall where you spent Christmas?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think it was at our house. We celebrated Cora's birthday. And then I think we actually went down to Wallingford, Connecticut, to be with her parents after.
MR. REDDINGTON: Her parents?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And then heading into January of '23, who did she then see for doctors or nurse practitioners, if you know?
PATRICK CLANCY: After she got back from McLean?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yes.
PATRICK CLANCY: She switched back to Jennifer Tufts.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, before she switches back to Tufts in January, on New Year's of 2022, 2023, you guys drive to Boston, go to MGH, and ultimately she turns herself into McLean Hospital, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, McLean Hospital is basically a locked ward facility, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Was she allowed to just wander around and leave the place whenever she wanted?
PATRICK CLANCY: She couldn't leave. But she—
MR. REDDINGTON: She couldn't leave.
PATRICK CLANCY: … inside she could go to different areas.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell the jury what her state of mind was as she went to McLean Hospital with her husband on New Year's of '23, at that point?
PATRICK CLANCY: She was scared. She didn't wanna go. But I think it was the second time we went to the ER, and I said, "You have to go."
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, at McLean Hospital, I know you visited with her. Is that correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: District attorney asked you yesterday about the excellent care that she was provided with all these counselors and therapists, and you indicated that it was your understanding that she was playing with clay and coloring, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you describe for the jury what McLean was like to you as a husband visiting his wife? In other words, were there doctors? Were there nurses? Were there people in the hallways?
PATRICK CLANCY: What I saw was, it looked like mainly nurses. It was the tail end of COVID, so they're mostly behind this plastic covered area. And it could've been just the time of day that I visited, but people were hanging around, watching TV, playing with clay.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you know whether or not she saw a doctor, psychiatrist, ultimately, from McLean Hospital?
PATRICK CLANCY: I was not aware of that. The only one I was aware of, it was the doctor on the second to last or final day.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what... Was that Dr. Goodheart?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did you speak to Dr. Goodheart?
PATRICK CLANCY: I ended up calling her.
MR. REDDINGTON: Why were you calling her?
PATRICK CLANCY: I wanted to see what her evaluation was. And so I give her a call, and we spoke, and she said, you know, "She's clearly depressed."
THE COURT: Sustained.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So you spoke to Dr. Goodheart.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did Dr. Goodheart, to your knowledge, prescribe any medication?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think she recommended medication, and then—
MR. REDDINGTON: How many medications did she recommend?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't know if she recommended multiple. I wanna say it was Cymbalta. But she said, you know, "Check with your doctor and make a decision."
MR. REDDINGTON: So when Lindsay left, it was because she wanted to leave one day early because of Cora's birthday. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I didn't think it was, I don't think it was one day early. I think she had a five-day stay, which at the time was, my understanding was that was pretty standard. And, yeah, she did wanna attend Cora's birthday.
MR. REDDINGTON: So there's no doubt, sir, in your mind that when she was discharged from McLean that... You got these, right? McLean?
MS. SPRAGUE: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. That when she was discharged from McLean Hospital, it was not against medical advice. The doctors gave her a bill of health and let her go with you, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'd offer the McLean records, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: All right. They may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 79.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, you know when you go to the hospital, and you get out of the hospital, they give you a bag, and you've got medications and a little card, and it says, “Thank you for being here,” stuff like that. Did you guys get anything from McLean at all?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think so.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did you get any recommendations other than the doctor suggesting that you might wanna try Cymbalta? Did they give you a script?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think so.
MR. REDDINGTON: You know what Cymbalta was?
MR. REDDINGTON: You remember Dr. Goodheart telling Lindsay to Google it?
PATRICK CLANCY: I think that's accurate.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. In fact, she Googled it hundreds of times—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: …that medication, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So when you guys go home, and now it's January, obviously, you had the party for Cora, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: You guys had friends over or friends that you guys knew?
PATRICK CLANCY: Friends came to the party, which was at a place in Plymouth.
MR. REDDINGTON: Would you agree with me that Lindsay had a number of friends from actually grammar school through high school through college that she stayed in touch with over the years?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you as well?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: And they're good friends. Like, you still would see them, and you guys would do dinner and things of that nature, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Actually, one of your friends, I think it was one of your friends, it might have been one of her friends, actually named her, in January or around that timeframe, to be god, mother, take care of their child if anything bad happened to them and they were dead, right? Remember that?
PATRICK CLANCY: I… My brain has been foggy for the last couple years.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: But—
MR. REDDINGTON: I understand.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. In January, as time went by, do you recall that she would actually continue to take notes of her medications that she was taking, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: That sounds like something Lindsay would do.
MR. REDDINGTON: Kept a diary or a little log, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm approaching you, sir, with this and asking if you can identify this anyway.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And when you say yes, and I put it on the little screen, what is it?
PATRICK CLANCY: It's the dosage of medication that she took and how she's feeling.
MR. REDDINGTON: So this is kinda like a little medical diary that she was keeping.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: For example, you know, here you see on that five milligrams Valium, 200 Seroquel, slept well, horrible thoughts in the morning, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did she at some point, I think the DA had asked you—I'm gonna offer this, Your Honor, if I may.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: All right. That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 80.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you. There was an occasion where she told you in the presence of her mother that she was having horrible thoughts, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you told us about that yesterday. And that took a... It was quite an emotional thing for her to do that, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: After that timeframe, you continued on. You were working in the basement, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: I shouldn't say basement. It was a finished place, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: A finished basement, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that was where you worked on a regular basis. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Would that be a 40-hour week or longer?
PATRICK CLANCY: It varied, but yeah, roughly 40 hours.
MR. REDDINGTON: And I know it was maybe COVID, tail end of COVID, but one of the other reasons that you did that was so you could be home and help out. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. I worked from home since 2018.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
PATRICK CLANCY: But yeah, I built an office down there.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you were always there.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Not always, but you were down there when you would work.
PATRICK CLANCY: When I wasn't traveling, yeah, I was there.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So when would you travel? Tell us about that.
PATRICK CLANCY: I really didn't travel actually, much during COVID, just towards the end and once in November.
MR. REDDINGTON: November of what year?
PATRICK CLANCY: 2022.
MR. REDDINGTON: November of 2022.
PATRICK CLANCY: But before that, I traveled extensively.
MR. REDDINGTON: Let's look at November of 2022. November of 2022 is a month before she was telling you and her mother that she was having thoughts about hurting the children, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: November of 2022, and you traveled. Where did you travel to?
PATRICK CLANCY: New York.
MR. REDDINGTON: And how long were you there, sir?
PATRICK CLANCY: Two nights.
MR. REDDINGTON: And who took care of the kids?
PATRICK CLANCY: Lindsay.
PATRICK CLANCY: Lindsay took care of the kids.
MR. REDDINGTON: Lindsay.
MR. REDDINGTON: So for two days, two nights, a month and a week or so before she killed the children, she was home with the kids for two days. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Fair to say that you also had your friends that you would do brunch with on occasion, Sundays or weeknights or whenever, go... guys' night type thing?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you'd be out with your friends. If she wanted to kill the kids, she certainly could have done it that time when you're out, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: In theory.
MR. REDDINGTON: As opposed to sending you on a three-minute trip to CVS and a nine-minute trip to a restaurant, you were away for two days in November, and on a number of occasions for brunch, as well as skiing, right? You're a pretty active guy.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right?
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna approach you, sir. And another one of the books that was in the kitchen cabinet, I believe.
MR. REDDINGTON: Do you remember if you ever saw this one?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't think so.
MR. REDDINGTON: But is it fair to say, sir, that she had a number of books, you know, about parenting and things like that, and this one here was Pregnancy and Postpartum Anxiety Workbook. Did she have workbooks that you were aware of, or work diagrams and things like that?
PATRICK CLANCY: She had books of different sorts.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you can't identify this as being in the kitchen, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: I don't recall seeing that book, no. Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you. By the way...
MR. REDDINGTON: I withdraw that. I'm gonna approach you, sir, with this document. Excuse me. And ask if you can identify it.
PATRICK CLANCY: It says, "Postpartum depression and anxiety patient information sheet."
MR. REDDINGTON: And if you go towards the end there, does it appear to be her writing in it?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. I'll offer this in.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: All right. That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 81.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. Can you stand?
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, sir, I'm looking at this item. It's got a bunch of flowers on the front. Appears to be a notebook. Is it your understanding that the state police went in your house and they seized all sorts of items, such as this?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So we don't have originals. The police do.
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: But these are copies. Fair and accurate?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is that the caption that you were referring to?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Postpartum depression and anxiety.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And at the end of this particular document, you would agree, sir, that it has writing?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And whose writing is that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Lindsay's.
MR. REDDINGTON: And is this, like, a book or notes that she would take documenting on a daily basis any effect that she had from postpartum?
PATRICK CLANCY: It appears to be the case.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Your Honor, I would offer the records of Dr. Jennifer Tufts as the mental health records.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: All right. That may be, they may be admitted.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna have to, I think, maybe, talk to the DA about this, 'cause I do have a lot of tabs and notes in this one, and I know we have a clean copies, right?
MS. SPRAGUE: We have a clean copy we were planning to admit—
THE COURT: All right.
MS. SPRAGUE: ...so that's not a problem.
MR. REDDINGTON: Good. Okay.
THE COURT: So we'll enter that, and then before we can then substitute it with a clean copy.
MS. SPRAGUE: Thank you.
COURT REPORTER: The page for identification.
MR. REDDINGTON: One of the things that you had identified yesterday was the document that you obtained from CVS. Is that correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: It sets forth all of the medications that were purchased by Lindsay by prescription from the physicians that she had seen during that period of time, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you indicated yesterday that the police had seized a number of pill bottles, and then you also had a number of pill bottles. Is that right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the pill bottles that you had—do you recall, what are the circumstances that you had them in a bag in your car?
PATRICK CLANCY: The reason I had them in a bag is because sometimes a provider would adjust medications. So for example, I do remember Lindsay had a prescription of Ativan, and then a few days later they wanted to increase the dosage because it wasn't effective. So what they would do is they would say, "Give that old prescription to your husband. He'll discard it, and then continue taking from the new prescription."
MR. REDDINGTON: When the DA yesterday went through that there were scripts and there were pills of a 30 count, but then there's 27 and then three were gone, but that's because she wasn't taking her medication. That's not the case, is it? It was what you were told to do, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct. Yeah. Without that context, it paints a different picture.
MR. REDDINGTON: Exhibit two would be the pills that you had turned in, I believe. Is that correct? That were in your bag, in your car?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: I know you can't tell from looking at the bag.
PATRICK CLANCY: I remember. It's exhibit two, though.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Wednesday, January 24th, one of the troopers located four medication bottles. And at some point, on the 26th at about 2:30 in the afternoon, bottles were then documented by the police. When was it, if you know, that you turned these items in to the police?
PATRICK CLANCY: I believe it was after the event. I don't remember the exact date. But I remember I told them, "I do have other prescriptions in my truck still," and I gave them to him.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So the police already went in with a search warrant. They already seized all the drugs that they could find in the house, in the kitchen, in the bedroom. Were there drugs in the kitchen, by the way?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: They were all over the place, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And they seized that, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then you, to be cooperative, told the police that you also had pills in your car, and you went to the DA's office and gave them to Attorney Sprague and the state police, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right. But to be clear, those were discontinued prescriptions.
MR. REDDINGTON: These are the ones, like, that the—that she stopped.
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. And then you had new prescriptions, so there were new prescriptions that were prescribed to her, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, when I met with you in the house, long after the state police had gone and finished their search—
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: ... you recall that we went up to the bedroom, and I removed this from the nightstand right next to the bed?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell us what that is? What is this? Is it a drawer, obviously?
PATRICK CLANCY: That's the drawer that goes into the nightstand.
MR. REDDINGTON: And inside the drawer, sir, do you recall that there were a number of items that—I see trazodone, Lindsay Clancy, prescribed on January 5, '23. Quetiapine, January. Quetiapine, 100 milligrams, prescribed for Lindsay Clancy, December 21st. Lorazepam. They're all empty too, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: 'Cause these are what she shot down with that lemonade or water or whatever was in the cup that she ground up these pills, right?
MR. REDDINGTON: Lamotrigine, prescribed to Lindsay Clancy, December 16th of '22. Mirtazapine, prescribed to Lindsay Clancy, January '23. Those were in this drawer, and they were all empty, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: You observed that, right? There's something else that was in the drawer. Do you recognize that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: What is it?
PATRICK CLANCY: It's her Apple Watch.
MR. REDDINGTON: Her Apple Watch. This is the Apple Watch that apparently the police used to a- you know, go up the stairs, down stairs, heart rate, things of that nature, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: They never even seized it, did they? They left it in the drawer, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Apparently.
MR. REDDINGTON: So, what is this item, sir? If you can identify that for us.
PATRICK CLANCY: It's a face mask for sleeping.
MR. REDDINGTON: To sleep?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, you had mentioned something I think about a pillow spray. What is that?
PATRICK CLANCY: She bought some pillow spray. Apparently helps you sleep.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did you see her using that on a regular basis?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yes?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, she did.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Your Honor, I would offer the drawer, the contents.
MS. SPRAGUE: If I could just see.
THE COURT: Yeah.
MS. SPRAGUE: I think you found the watch.
THE COURT: I think there's a watch on the side there.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, I know. I was gonna point it out.
THE COURT: Oh.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: Okay. The... Do you wanna... You put, you want to put that in as one exhibit?
MR. REDDINGTON: Sure.
THE COURT: Okay.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 82.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, in reference to the Apple Watch, sir, how many Apple Watches did she have, if you know?
PATRICK CLANCY: Just one.
MR. REDDINGTON: Just one. It was the only one she had. The police never seized it, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the drugs that were in the drawer, the empty drugs and the pill bottles from January and December of '22 and '23, the police never seized them, did they?
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm showing you an item, sir. It's like a little green vase. Have you ever seen that before?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, tell the jury what it is.
MS. SPRAGUE: Objection. We could go to sidebar.
THE COURT: Yeah. Can I see counsel at sidebar, please?
MR. REDDINGTON: To your knowledge, sir, was she advised by nurse practitioner Tufts to keep a nighttime dump diary of all of her thoughts and write them down so that she had something that she could refer to?
PATRICK CLANCY: Not that I'm aware of.
MR. REDDINGTON: You ever see her writing notes in a diary or, like, a thing with dates on it, November 23rd, for example, things of that nature?
PATRICK CLANCY: I knew she kept notes, but I didn't see her doing it.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna show you this document that I ask if that appears to be her handwriting.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And does that contain indication as to her state of mind on a particular date or dates thereafter?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Just take a look at the other pages to make sure that they're all her handwriting.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yep.
MR. REDDINGTON: You wanna have a copy of this?
THE COURT: Commonwealth?
MS. SPRAGUE: Can I see it, please?
THE COURT: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: And I got it from the state police, so it's assumed you guys have it.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: Okay. That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 83.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm gonna show you another document, sir, that appears to be a document. Do you recognize her handwriting on that document with dates, September 29th, for example, '22?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And does that appear to... Can you tell us what that appears to be, sir, if you know?
PATRICK CLANCY: It looks like a schedule for Callan.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the schedule for Callan, that would be, what, like, when he's eating or sleeping or something like that?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah, and naps. Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: So, for example, where it says September 29th, there it is, '22, and then it makes reference to Callan, last fed with a timeframe, and then there's a bunch of pages like that that go forward on those dates. Is that what that is?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Put him down for a nap, 9:35, with a smiley face, things like that, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is this typical for Lindsay, that she would document these things as a new mother?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Was she being controlling, in your opinion, of her child and of you by doing this schedule?
PATRICK CLANCY: No, I found it helpful.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can I have a copy of this, Your Honor? I think we have—
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 84.
MR. REDDINGTON: One of the things, sir, that the district attorney had asked you about is the exhibits of the, I think it was the window in the bedroom. You said it was 20 feet drop to the ground.
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Is that right? This is a photograph of the same one you already introduced, but I just don't know where it is. So this is the photograph of the house, and you can identify that, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. That's the living room window.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And the window that you're talking about that's 20 feet up would be on the very top of that picture, correct?
PATRICK CLANCY: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, when you identified this picture, and I can't see...
MR. REDDINGTON: You see that there's some kind of an orange ball, appears to be an orange ball underneath the sill?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: To the left. And there appears to be red marks or red spots, like possibly blood above it.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can you tell the jurors what that little orange ball is?
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. We had a woodpecker who would peck at the house and create holes. That's why I've repaired some of the other sections, too. And I took some foam and filled the hole.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'd offer that, Your Honor, just out of clarity.
MS. SPRAGUE: No objection.
THE COURT: That may be admitted.
MR. REDDINGTON: And I'd also, if I may, just, the top picture I believe is also—see where it looks like fingerprints or blood on the edge of the window on the second floor. You see that? That's from the house.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah.
MS. SPRAGUE: Excuse me, Attorney Reddington.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay, so, okay, I'm talking about the hornet thing right here. And then this is—I see on this top here. Okay.
MS. SPRAGUE: Mm-hmm.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you see on the top of this window here...
MR. REDDINGTON: It's not a very good picture.
MR. REDDINGTON: Underneath the hornet thing, you can't see it, but in the exhibit, you can see there's, like, there's, like, blood drops or blood smears there.
PATRICK CLANCY: Yeah. I see it.
MR. REDDINGTON: That's the first floor window that's directly underneath the second floor window, right?
PATRICK CLANCY: Right.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. I'd offer these, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: They may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 85 and 86.
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm all set. Thank you, sir.