1.Kyle Pavao — Direct/Cross/Redirect/Recross
488 linesBAILIFF: This court is now in session. Please be seated.
COURT CLERK: Good morning, Your Honor. May I proceed?
THE COURT: Yes, please.
COURT CLERK: Your Honor, before the court today, we have the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. Ms. Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Reddington. The Commonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague and Assistant District Attorney Shanan Buckingham.
THE COURT: All right. Well, good morning, everyone. Good morning, counsel.
MR. REDDINGTON: Good morning, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Good morning, Ms. Clancy.
MS. CLANCY: Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Before we bring the jury in, could I talk to counsel over here just for a few minutes?
BAILIFF: All rise. Jurors in.
BAILIFF: Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. All persons having anything to do before the Honorable William Sullivan, Justice of the Superior Court, now sitting in Plymouth within for the Commonwealth, draw near, give your attention, you shall be heard. God save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. This court is now in session. Please be seated.
COURT CLERK: Good morning, Your Honor. May I proceed?
THE COURT: Yes, please.
COURT CLERK: Your Honor, before the court today, we have the continuation of the jury trial in the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. Ms. Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Reddington. The Commonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague and Assistant District Attorney Shanan Buckingham.
THE COURT: All right. Well, thank you, Madam Clerk. Well, good morning.
JURORS: Good morning.
THE COURT: So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ask you those questions, and then we'll talk about our schedule for today. But first off, good morning. Nice to see everyone. Thank you for your patience with us and all the work that you've done so far. So the first question: Has any member of the jury read, seen, or heard, or overheard anything from any source that would affect your ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JURORS: No.
THE COURT: All right. Last question: Is there any other serious matter or concern bearing on your service as a juror in this case that anybody needs to bring to my attention at this time?
JURORS: No.
THE COURT: All right. Again, thank you for following those instructions. And in regards to our schedule today, it's gonna be, I think it's a little bit different. All right? And a lot of it is because of the progress of the case and kinda where we're going. I anticipate we're gonna hear a number of witnesses today, and we may break early. All right? And then, because of some of these issues, we're not gonna be sitting tomorrow. All right? So you don't have to come in. You can come in if you want. But we're not gonna be sitting on this case. So my suggestion would be not to come in, and to take that and kind of, you know, and just relax as best you can. And then we'll come in on Monday at nine o'clock, and then expect kinda most of those days then going forward will be mostly kinda the schedule we had the last maybe three or four days. All right? So I just kinda wanted to give you that as information as early as I can so that we confirm that today. So, probably an earlier date today, and we're not sitting tomorrow. Okay? And so with that, we're gonna return to the Commonwealth's presentation of evidence. And Commonwealth, will you call your next witness, please?
MS. SPRAGUE: Thank you. Commonwealth calls Kyle Pavao.
MR. REDDINGTON: Your Honor, while we're waiting, I apologize, can we just approach real quick?
BAILIFF: Can you stop right here, raise your right hand for the clerk, please?
COURT CLERK: Good morning. Do you solemnly swear that [oath administered]
KYLE PAVAO: I do.
COURT CLERK: Thank you, sir. You may have a seat.
BAILIFF: Watch your step, please.
THE COURT: All right. Good morning, sir.
KYLE PAVAO: Good morning, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Ms. Sprague, please.
MS. SPRAGUE: Thank you. Good morning. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
KYLE PAVAO: Kyle Pavao. K-Y-L-E, last name P-A-V-A-O.
MS. SPRAGUE: And where do you work?
KYLE PAVAO: Massachusetts State Police.
MS. SPRAGUE: How long have you worked there?
KYLE PAVAO: Eight years, with 18 total law enforcement experience.
MS. SPRAGUE: So you worked in law enforcement prior to the state police?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: In what department?
KYLE PAVAO: Town of Mattapoisett.
MS. SPRAGUE: And are you in a specific role or unit at this time?
KYLE PAVAO: I was.
MS. SPRAGUE: What do you do now?
KYLE PAVAO: Now I'm a sergeant in field, assigned to the Bourne Barracks.
MS. SPRAGUE: And previously, where were you assigned?
KYLE PAVAO: I was a trooper in the cyber crime unit.
MS. SPRAGUE: How long were you in the cyber crime unit?
KYLE PAVAO: Roughly three and a half years or so.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what is the cyber crime unit?
KYLE PAVAO: It's the state's primary child exploitation unit. Assigned to that, or included in that is also a forensic branch, which deals with multiple other crimes other than child exploitation.
MS. SPRAGUE: Would it be accurate to state that you are able to examine digital forensics, like computers and phones, that are related to other cases?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Do you have to have specialized training to be in that unit?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: What type of specialized training did you have?
KYLE PAVAO: So I am a certified forensic computer examiner. I'm a certified forensic Mac examiner. I'm a Cellebrite certified mobile examiner, and I'm a Magnet certified digital video examiner.
MS. SPRAGUE: What is Cellebrite?
KYLE PAVAO: Cellebrite is a company that has proprietary software that parses through data. Most people know it for cell phones. There is a branch that does computers, but it's mostly known for cell phones, extracting data and also parsing that data out.
MS. SPRAGUE: What about Magnet?
KYLE PAVAO: Magnet's the same thing. So Magnet is also another proprietary company. They have software, imaging software. They mainly focus on computers. They can do some cell phone stuff, but they primarily focus on computers.
MS. SPRAGUE: To be certified in Cellebrite and Magnet, did you have to take classes and pass exams?
KYLE PAVAO: Yeah, so my forensic computer classes, certification is probably like a six-month-long process. It's two weeks of schooling down in Florida, as in a one-on-one peer review for four months of practicals of different file systems and computers. Once you get through that, it then is a practical exam, and then once you pass the practical, it turns into a written exam.
MS. SPRAGUE: Did you have an opportunity to examine the extraction of a Surface Pro that was seized from 47 Summer Street in Duxbury on or about September 16th, 2025?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MS. SPRAGUE: And to be clear, the Surface Pro was seized from 47 Duxbury Street in 2023. It was in 2025 that you examined the extraction, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct. I was provided those files.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what is an extraction?
KYLE PAVAO: So these are actually—it's a computer image. Extraction's usually typically referred to with cell phones. So this is a computer image. So this was an actual EO1 file, which is an EnCase forensic file. So what it does is it copies out the bit for bit data on the particular drive that you targeted at, and then the EnCase file sort of compresses the forensic image. It also adds some metadata to it. You can type in like case files. It keeps some integrity to it.
MS. SPRAGUE: So is it basically, you take a computer or a cellphone and you make an exact copy of the data that's on that cellphone or computer?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes. Computers, yes. Cellphones, no.
MS. SPRAGUE: But you were working on a computer or Surface Pro?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so the extraction for the Surface Pro would be, the extraction would be a copy of the data that was on the Surface Pro?
KYLE PAVAO: Yeah, so the image in this case is a bit for bit copy of that drive.
MS. SPRAGUE: And when you do the extraction or when you view the extraction, are you changing any of the data?
KYLE PAVAO: No, that's why we use these types of images, so we don't touch the actual data on that computer.
MS. SPRAGUE: Did your initial review of the extraction show a visit to a website entitled Suicide Methods on August 23rd, 2022?
KYLE PAVAO: It did.
MS. SPRAGUE: Were you recently asked to look at that visit to that site to get a better understanding of how that website was accessed?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And how did you approach that?
KYLE PAVAO: I set a parameter. I went to that artifact that I had previously tagged when I did the initial analysis. And then—
MS. SPRAGUE: Let me just stop you there.
KYLE PAVAO: Sorry.
MS. SPRAGUE: What's an artifact and what is a tagging?
KYLE PAVAO: So an artifact is every single piece of data on that computer is an artifact. So you could- a computer could have a half a million artifacts, let's say. That's a low end, but as an example. So tagging would be something you would flag that one particular evidence, that one particular artifact as evidence.
MS. SPRAGUE: So in this case, the artifact was the visit to the website. Is that correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And then the tagging was just so that you could find it when you went back into the extraction looking for it?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so if you could continue telling us about how you approached that.
KYLE PAVAO: So I set a parameter of 12 hours before the visit, and then 12 hours after the visit, and looked at the correlating other digital artifacts related to that.
MS. SPRAGUE: And can you tell us, what's a Chrome history database?
KYLE PAVAO: So that's the— So a database essentially, this is a very—
KYLE PAVAO: Slimmed down version of what this is. So if you think of an Excel sheet, and each Excel page is a section of the database, so the database would be the whole thing, and there's a scheme or like a roadmap, let's say, of how these pages interlink with each other. That would be an entire database. Everything pretty much has databases, just easy for file expansion and disk saving space and things of that nature.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what about Chrome web history table?
KYLE PAVAO: So a table would essentially be the Excel sheet that I explained before. It's a portion of the entire database. That particular one captures—without being a database engineer for Google, who created it—but that table tracks the URLs, webpage titles, dates, and times.
MS. SPRAGUE: So is it basically a table that you get from the extraction that shows which websites that computer has visited?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct. Each table has its own functions on different data it tracks, and then eventually it puts it all together.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what about a Chrome web visits table?
KYLE PAVAO: So the visits table tracks things of: were the webpages synced to the device? Were they local to the device? Are they typed? Was it generated? Was it gone there through a hyperlink?
MS. SPRAGUE: So basically is it a table telling how each website was accessed, whether someone typed in a search for it or clicked a link?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And you mentioned a couple different ways: typed, linked, generated. So typed would just be someone typing in the search bar something to search?
KYLE PAVAO: Yeah, so typed could be a few different things. So typed would be somebody typed in an exact phrase or a word. It also could flag the typed version, a typed flag if you copied and pasted something into the URL address bar.
MS. SPRAGUE: So if you're looking at a recipe for, say, cookies, and you copied cookies and pasted it into the search bar, would that be considered a typed event?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Or if you just typed cookies, that would be a typed event?
KYLE PAVAO: Or cookies, or if you typed in, say you put C-O for cookies, and then Chrome tried to auto-populate what they think you wanna type, that would also create a typed event as well.
MS. SPRAGUE: And then you mentioned linked. What is a linked access?
KYLE PAVAO: A link would be that you clicked on a hyperlink which brought you to a different page.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what is a hyperlink?
KYLE PAVAO: That would be a... It's a word phrasing, and then behind the word phrasing, there is a website coded behind that.
MS. SPRAGUE: Is that like when you go on a website, and there are certain words that are underlined that you can click on, and it'll take you to another page?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Okay. What about generated?
KYLE PAVAO: Generated is something that Google would sugge- Chrome would suggest.
MS. SPRAGUE: Now, what is the Wayback Machine?
KYLE PAVAO: The Wayback Machine is a website that is a—it's mon- I don't wanna say monitored. It's created and maintained by the Internet Archive as a company. It's a 501 3 c nonprofit, and what that does is it goes out on the Internet, it takes snapshots of the Internet web pages all over the entire Internet, and then archives that so you can go back in later. It started, like, in the mid-'90s or so, but it—you can go back to pick a date, pick a year, and you can see what that website looked like at that time, or approximate. It doesn't copy minute for minute, day for day, but you'll get something around the time that you were looking for of what a particular page looked like at that date and time you want to see.
MS. SPRAGUE: So with regard to this case and looking into how that site, Suicide Methods, was accessed, what did you learn? Or what did you see?
KYLE PAVAO: When I, when I went back?
MS. SPRAGUE: Yeah. So go ahead.
KYLE PAVAO: So, I saw... The first thing I saw was a Facebook visit at 9:40 that morning.
MS. SPRAGUE: 9:40 AM on August 23rd, 2022?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what was the Facebook?
KYLE PAVAO: It was... The link was lynn.say., I believe it was 968.
MS. SPRAGUE: So Lindsay with a dot in between the D and the S, 969?
KYLE PAVAO: 969, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And after the visit to the Lindsay.969 Facebook page, what happened next?
KYLE PAVAO: There was a search in Spotify Music for the singer Tom Hall.
MS. SPRAGUE: What time was that at?
KYLE PAVAO: I... It was shortly after...
MS. SPRAGUE: Is your memory exhausted?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: Do you have your report with you?
KYLE PAVAO: I do.
MS. SPRAGUE: With permission?
THE COURT: Yes.
KYLE PAVAO: That was at 9:42.
MS. SPRAGUE: So approximately two minutes after the Facebook account was accessed?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And that website, was that a Wikipedia page?
KYLE PAVAO: No. That was Spotify—
MS. SPRAGUE: Oh, I'm sorry.
KYLE PAVAO: ...Music.
MS. SPRAGUE: Spotify. Spotify Music. And then what did you see next?
KYLE PAVAO: There was a song off of that search in Spotify.
MS. SPRAGUE: Was that the That's How I Got to Memphis song?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: And was that at 9:44 and 18 seconds AM?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: Then what happened next?
KYLE PAVAO: There was a Google search for Tom Hall.
MS. SPRAGUE: And was that at 9:44 and 30 seconds AM?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what did you learn from that Google search?
KYLE PAVAO: Off of that Google search, there was the Wikipedia page for Tom Hall was visited.
MS. SPRAGUE: And were you able to use the Wayback website to see what that Tom Hall page on Wikipedia looked like around the time of August 23rd, 2022?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MS. SPRAGUE: Is this a copy of that Wikipedia page from the Wayback Machine?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: You can mark this as the next exhibit.
MR. REDDINGTON: No objection.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. REDDINGTON: I have no objection to any of the documents.
THE COURT: Is this Tom T. Hall?
MS. SPRAGUE: Tom Hall, yes.
THE COURT: All right. That may be—
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 232.
THE COURT: Thank you.
MS. SPRAGUE: Could you see what happened next, once the Wikipedia page for Tom Hall was visited?
KYLE PAVAO: So I saw there was an anchor on the URL to the death section, uh—
MS. SPRAGUE: What does that mean, an anchor to the death section?
KYLE PAVAO: So an anchor would be put at the end of a URL, so a web address. So what an anchor does, it's a pound sign followed by, let's— a section of that page. So if you think of it as... Say you go on your banking website, and it lists, like, a table of contents, and it has login, mortgages, rates. If you click on, let's say, rates, it's gonna jump all the way down to that page, just to that section. So it's a table of contents that's gonna direct you directly to a certain section of the webpage.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so on the Wikipedia, someone clicked on death, and it brought them down to that portion?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And in the death section, could you tell what happened once the person was in that area of the webpage?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: What happened there?
KYLE PAVAO: So in the description that described, the Wikipedia page described of Tom Hall's death, there was some wording regarding a shooting related to his ultimate suicide. Go ahead.
MS. SPRAGUE: Showing you, let's be marked as 232.
MS. SPRAGUE: This portion here under death where it's, “Self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head,” is underlined. Is that the portion you're referring to?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes. Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And that portion there with the underlining, is that what you were describing earlier as a hyperlink that you can click, and it takes you somewhere else?
KYLE PAVAO: Yeah. So inside that phrasing, there's actually a URL behind that with an anchor as well.
MS. SPRAGUE: Now, something like that, that type of hyperlink, can you hover over that with the arrow that the mouse directs, hover over that and automatically be taken to that site, or do you actually have to click on that link?
KYLE PAVAO: No. You would have to click on that phrase with the link behind it.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so, based on your examination of the Surface Pro in that area, was the hyperlink clicked on?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: And where did the hyperlink bring the person?
KYLE PAVAO: Yeah, we now got to the original artifact I had located, which was the Wikipedia suicide method, but it directed it directly to the shooting section of that page.
MS. SPRAGUE: Could you tell how long the person spent on that page, the suicide methods page, or how long it was accessed?
KYLE PAVAO: No.
MS. SPRAGUE: Was— could you tell what time it was accessed?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: What time was that?
KYLE PAVAO: I don't recall the specific time.
MS. SPRAGUE: Want to look at your report?
KYLE PAVAO: At 9:45 AM.
MS. SPRAGUE: So 9:45 AM. The suicide methods page was accessed—
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: … Is that correct? And did you use the Wayback Machine to see what it would look like on August 23rd, 2023?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MS. SPRAGUE: Is this a copy of what you produced?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: If we could have this marked as an exhibit.
THE COURT: That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit 233.
THE COURT: Thank you.
MS. SPRAGUE: And what could you see happening when, from that page?
KYLE PAVAO: I observed after that, another Wikipedia page that went to the Grafton Bridge.
MS. SPRAGUE: And was that from a hyperlink within the suicide methods page?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: Showing you page eight of exhibit two thirty-three.
MS. SPRAGUE: So within this jumping section is where there was the hyperlink to that bridge?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Here?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: Grafton Bridge. So again, the person had to click on that hyperlink to access Grafton Bridge?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, that would be correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Now, you said that the suicide methods page was accessed at 9:45 AM. What time was the Grafton Bridge webpage accessed?
KYLE PAVAO: It was shortly after that.
MS. SPRAGUE: Do you wanna look at your report?
KYLE PAVAO: At 9:48.
MS. SPRAGUE: 9:48?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so approximately three minutes after first accessing the suicide methods page, the hyperlink for the Grafton Bridge is clicked?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Was there any other activity besides going to the suicide methods page and then the Grafton Bridge page, any other activity that you saw within those three minutes?
KYLE PAVAO: I did not, no.
MS. SPRAGUE: And so, did you do the Wayback Machine again for the Grafton Bridge site?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MS. SPRAGUE: Is this a very accurate copy of that page?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: If we could have this marked as exhibit two thirty-four, please.
THE COURT: That may be admitted.
COURT REPORTER: Exhibit two thirty-four.
MS. SPRAGUE: You're not able to tell who's actually at the computer doing all this, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: No.
MS. SPRAGUE: You can only see what data there is and what's been accessed, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Thank you.
THE COURT: All right, Mr. Reddington.
MR. REDDINGTON: That's it? That's your testimony? That's why you're here today, to talk about a search that was involving Tom Hall or Tim Hall?
THE COURT: Sustained. If you could—
MR. REDDINGTON: So your test— I apologize. Your testimony today is based on that search on August 23rd, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Of '22, right?
MR. REDDINGTON: And you were working as a state police officer back then, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, sir.
MR. REDDINGTON: And were you attached to the Plymouth County DA's office, or were you working somewhere else?
KYLE PAVAO: I was assigned to the cybercrime unit.
MR. REDDINGTON: And the cybercrime unit works with the DA's office in Plymouth?
KYLE PAVAO: The cybercrime unit's its own independent statewide unit.
MR. REDDINGTON: So in the sense that you're independent, it's still the district attorney and his assistant DAs that would reach out to the cybercrime unit and ask for help, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Or it could be the troopers assigned to the state police detective unit.
MR. REDDINGTON: Joshua McKelligan. He was the lead investigator on this case, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I assume so.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So you were tasked to analyze the computer, the Surface Pro computer, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And by all accounts, that was owned by Pat Clancy. Is that correct?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And it was located in his office, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I don't know where it was located.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. It's fair to say that when you analyzed the computer back in September, October of 2025, it was an investigatory role that you were using to locate potential evidence, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what is it you were looking for?
KYLE PAVAO: I was provided a search warrant with search terms. And that's as far as I knew of-
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
KYLE PAVAO: ... the case.
MR. REDDINGTON: And what were the search terms?
KYLE PAVAO: I don't recall specifically, but they were spelled out in the search warrant.
MR. REDDINGTON: So when you have search terms, you take a person's computer, and then what do you do? You access it through a device?
KYLE PAVAO: So I was provided the images. I do not have... I never saw the physical computer.
MR. REDDINGTON: So when you got the images, you were able to load them up onto your computer, I imagine?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes. We use a tool to help parse through that data. Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then as a result of that, you were able to plug in words that you could search for, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: For example, like suicide?
KYLE PAVAO: Suicide would be one.
MR. REDDINGTON: Drugs?
KYLE PAVAO: I mean, I don't think that pertained in this case, but-
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, yeah, believe me, it did.
KYLE PAVAO: ... that you could search. That, I don't, I don't recall the specific terms in-
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
KYLE PAVAO: ... the search warrant.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So after you did your search for whatever it is that you were looking for, suicide and other... You're unable to tell us what else you look for. But in any event, you came across this entry on August 23rd, and you indicated that the timeframe that you're dealing with on that computer, the Surface Pro computer, was 9:40 in the morning. Is that right?
KYLE PAVAO: The... Can you rephrase that?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. You can look at your report, too. I mean, I, you know, if you have documents in front of you. Do you have-
KYLE PAVAO: I do.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. So you can take a look at it. You have a document that's captioned matching results. Is that right?
KYLE PAVAO: I do not have that in front of me, but yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And would that be the search that you conducted?
KYLE PAVAO: Of the... Is that the Magnet tool report?
MR. REDDINGTON: I don't know what it is. And I- ... apologize. I get records and I look at them and say, "So it's just, what is that?"
KYLE PAVAO: This is the main page of the forensic tool.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And looking at the main page of the forensic tool, does it indicate the date is August 23rd?
KYLE PAVAO: That's an inbox. This also doesn't. Which... Are we talking about this highlight here?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah. What does that indicate?
KYLE PAVAO: That's an inbox. That's not that.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. So what time—
THE COURT: Trooper, could you keep your voice up if it—
KYLE PAVAO: Sorry.
THE COURT: …or make sure you speak to that microphone?
KYLE PAVAO: So that highlight is a mail inbox.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And that would be the HTTPS. And then underneath that it makes reference to at some point that you were able to see that Lindsay or Linds Facebook account was accessed, and it wasn't even the account, it was actually the homepage, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct. It went— it navigated to the Facebook person's account.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So that would tell us that that particular Facebook account was accessed, and then that conducted the search you just testified to at the next link.
KYLE PAVAO: This does not have— this here does not have—
MR. REDDINGTON: Right. You can use this if you want. How about this next one? Does that have the Facebook visit?
KYLE PAVAO: This one does. Yes. Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. You guys wanna take a look?
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, both. Let's… Go ahead.
KYLE PAVAO: Yes. That'd be right here.
MR. REDDINGTON: All right. Thank you. Now just before I leave— above that, does that also indicate, like these top two top— what are these two top lines?
KYLE PAVAO: That would be a— that was a CNBC web visit, which was typed in. And then there's a access to a Google Gmail account—
MR. REDDINGTON: And whose—
KYLE PAVAO: …inbox.
MR. REDDINGTON: …Google Gmail account was that?
KYLE PAVAO: That I don't know. I don't know.
MR. REDDINGTON: 'Cause that's— those two lines and references to the Google account were not in your report, right? You started off with the Facebook search, if you will.
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you started off with Lindsay Facebook that was signed into the homepage on Patrick Clancy's Surface Pro computer, right?
KYLE PAVAO: So my tool report has all of the artifacts tagged as evidence.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So when you tag the actual data from the Surface Pro, and the HP laptop as well, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And your October report back in 20… Was it '25 or was it '22?
KYLE PAVAO: '25.
MR. REDDINGTON: So but nothing changes on the computers. I mean, whatever your searches are and your records don't, don't change over the years, right?
KYLE PAVAO: No, as long as it's preserved in that state. And the images of that computer are— will remain the same.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So and it's fair to say that with this investigation obviously happening back in 2022, that the computers were hermetically sealed and stuck somewhere with an evidence locker to be— to make sure that they're preserved, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, that would be best practice.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay.
KYLE PAVAO: That would be correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: So then in October of '25, the district attorney's office asked you to conduct a search of the computer apparently. Is that right?
KYLE PAVAO: A trooper in the Plymouth State Police Detective Unit reached out.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that would be McElligott, right?
KYLE PAVAO: No, it was not.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Do you know who it was?
KYLE PAVAO: Trooper Justin Paul.
MR. REDDINGTON: Justin Paul.
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. And as a result of that, you then went—prepared your report. And one of the things that you did is you noted that on August 23rd of 2022, at 9:40 and 08 seconds, that there was an access to the Lindsay Facebook account, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Oh, there was a visit to that page, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right. And then that page continued on to look for Tom Hall and, you know, Walking to Memphis or whatever, and the songs, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: On Spotify?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, after that was a Spotify search.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then the timeframe of that would be that, you went and went to a hyperlink that took him to methods of suicide. Is that correct?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, were there any searches on that computer, for example, ways to kill?
KYLE PAVAO: No, there was not.
MR. REDDINGTON: To your knowledge, and I understand that you might be stuck with your—what you investigated, but are you aware that there were any searches from Lindsay Clancy or Patrick Clancy on ways to kill? You ever heard that?
KYLE PAVAO: I, in my initial report back in October, that contains all of the evidence artifacts that I had tagged as evidence and provided, I did not come across that, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right. So basically, what you are leaving with the jury would be that on that date of Octo—of August 23rd, at approximately 9:40 in the morning, and then carrying forward with jumping from Tom Hall to the Wikipedia account, to the underlined name, suicide, jumping to that page, that all occurred between 9:40 and, say, 10 o'clock in the morning, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Did you know, sir, that on August 23rd, prior to your report indicating the Facebook account, that...
MR. REDDINGTON: Mr. Clancy signed in, and it was Mr. Clancy's email that accessed the Facebook account for Lindsay Clancy?
KYLE PAVAO: I did not.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that was not included in your report, was it?
KYLE PAVAO: No, it was not.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you know that the Clancys had three children, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I do not.
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, you know that you were working on a case where Lindsay Clancy was the mother, and she was married to Patrick Clancy, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did you know, sir, that...
MR. REDDINGTON: On August 23rd of 2022, that two-year-old child was brought by Lindsay to South Shore Health for Dawson's ear recheck, that he had problems with congestion, but no complaints of ear pain, no fever, and that was on August 23rd, 2022, that he was examined at 10:15 in the morning?
KYLE PAVAO: I'm not privy to those facts.
MR. REDDINGTON: So you don't know that Patrick Clancy's email signed into Lindsay Clancy's Facebook account. You're not aware of that, right?
KYLE PAVAO: It's whatever the default profile was signed into the Chrome browser.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then that accessed the Facebook account, which looked up Tom Hall, the singer, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: That then led to the Wikipedia talking about suicide, right?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Led to the Spotify talking about Somewhere in Memphis, whatever the song was, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And this was all occurring from 9:40 in the morning until, like I said, you know, 10 o'clock, thereabouts, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: You tagged actual data from the Surface Pro as well as the HP laptop, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MR. REDDINGTON: And your October report contains searches from the Surface Pro, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you recall, for example, just a representative sample that, and this would be on the Surface Pro computer. Now we're jumping ahead to December 5, not August of '22, December of '22. One of the inquiries of the Google searches was what to do when a psychiatrist over-prescribed, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Searches for medications, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Including Lamictal, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can bipolar disorder be temporary, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Can benzos reveal bipolar disorder, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: How long are detox programs, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: What is DBT?
KYLE PAVAO: Uh—
MR. REDDINGTON: I'm just saying that's a search. I don't know—
KYLE PAVAO: Oh, yeah.
MR. REDDINGTON: You may know, you may not.
KYLE PAVAO: I had to look that one up, too.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. Lamictal versus Zo— It says Zolofi, but I would suggest it would be Zoloft. That was a search, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: What is mania? Was a search, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Ketamine for benzo withdrawal. January 18th of 2023 was a search, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Ketamine therapy on January 18th of 2023, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, you know, maybe not personally, but you know Steve Veroneau, who's also a gentleman who does what you do with computers and laptops and stuff, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: Now, you've worked on cases and you know Steve, you recognize him right here, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: You know that Steve was working with me, and Lindsay on accessing information from cell phones and computers, and he actually, through me, reached out about a month ago to the DA's office and raised some questions, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: I'm not privy to that.
MR. REDDINGTON: Oh. Well, the DA reached out to you about a month ago and asked you to revisit your investigation, and as a result of that, you created another report, didn't you?
KYLE PAVAO: I did.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that would just be on July 26th of '26, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And that was after the DA had reached out to you, but didn't tell you it was because we had questions that Mr. Barrineau asked me to find out about, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, I was not privy to that.
MR. REDDINGTON: So as a result of dealing with the DA in July of 26, July 26th of '26, you then prepared your report, and the purpose of that report was to find out more details, if you could, pertaining to the, quote, methods of suicide page, right?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And in your July 26th report, you then went into detail about your findings, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Yes.
MR. REDDINGTON: And we would agree that that particular webpage was not a search for methods of suicide, it was actually the Tom Hall and the music, right?
KYLE PAVAO: That is correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: And then the URL shows access to Lindsay's Facebook profile, correct? There was... You accessed and found out that Lindsay's Facebook profile—
KYLE PAVAO: Was a web visit.
MR. REDDINGTON: Right.
KYLE PAVAO: Yes, correct.
MR. REDDINGTON: But you don't know that it was Lindsay that was actually using their, that computer to search for Tom Hall, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I don't know who was sitting behind that computer.
MR. REDDINGTON: You don't know that Patrick Clancy plays the guitar, do you?
KYLE PAVAO: I do not.
MR. REDDINGTON: You don't know that Patrick Clancy is a music aficionado, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I do not.
MR. REDDINGTON: You don't know that Patrick Clancy enjoyed Tom Hall music, do you?
KYLE PAVAO: I do not know that.
MR. REDDINGTON: And you certainly don't wanna leave it with this jury that Lindsay was looking up ways to commit suicide in August of '22, do you?
KYLE PAVAO: All I'm presenting is the facts that were presented in front of me.
MR. REDDINGTON: And couple more questions, sir. When a user logs into their Facebook, their own Facebook account, it doesn't populate or bring you directly to the actual profile page. It brings you to the home page, right? That shows your followers and things like that?
KYLE PAVAO: I think so. I don't have Facebook or social media so maybe. I don't...
MR. REDDINGTON: That's all I have for this gentleman, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Commonwealth?
MR. REDDINGTON: I would ask if I could, Judge. Could I... The two documents that I was questioning him from, could I introduce those into evidence?
MR. REDDINGTON: I think he agreed that that was part of the search.
MS. SPRAGUE: Can we just approach?
THE COURT: Sure, yeah.
THE COURT: All right, thank you. That may be admitted.
MR. REDDINGTON: And, Your Honor, I would offer, if I could, the medical records from the pediatrics associates that—
MS. SPRAGUE: They're already in evidence.
MR. REDDINGTON: Well, I'd like to have it focused on that. You know, you don't mind if we put that—
THE COURT: It's one... Well, we marked that for identification. We can address whether or not. I wanna double-check- I haven't gone through all the records either.
MR. REDDINGTON: It was buried in the file.
THE COURT: Oh, I understand. We'll mark that for identification.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you, Judge. Thank you, sir.
THE COURT: Thank you.
COURT REPORTER: This is 235. Exhibit for identification.
MS. SPRAGUE: Sir, just for clarification, before when I was doing direct, if at any point I said August 23rd, 2023, what you did when you did the Wayback Machine was searches for around the time period of August 22nd, 2022, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: And anything that you looked at that day regarding the search for suicide methods or any of the other places that were visited were August 23rd, 2022, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: Correct, 2022.
MS. SPRAGUE: And the visit to the Grafton Bridge Wikipedia page was at 9:48 AM, correct? Not 10:00 AM?
KYLE PAVAO: That visit was at 9:48, correct.
MS. SPRAGUE: Okay. And defense counsel asked you about the defendant being at the doctor's at 10:15 AM. Are you aware that it only takes four minutes to drive from her home at 47 Duxbury... 47 Summer Street in Duxbury to the Kingston location of the pediatrics?
KYLE PAVAO: I was not, and I also wasn't aware that they went to the doctor's.
MS. SPRAGUE: And you can't tell us who was behind the computer at different times, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: No.
MS. SPRAGUE: You can't tell us whether people used the computer, then got up and let someone else use it, and then went back to using it, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: No, I cannot.
MS. SPRAGUE: You can only show us the data that you observed that day, correct?
KYLE PAVAO: That is it, yes.
MS. SPRAGUE: Okay, thank you.
MR. REDDINGTON: Yeah, so—what has been marked for P for identification, which would constitute the health information, records from the South Shore Health, pertinent to the child.
MR. REDDINGTON: You're aware, sir, that the records... Or you're aware, sir, or you're not aware that the child was brought to the doctor's not at 10:15, but was brought to the doctor's around 10 o'clock in the morning. You're aware of that?
KYLE PAVAO: I'm not aware of any of that.
MR. REDDINGTON: And did you know how old the child was?
KYLE PAVAO: Sir, my testimony is related to the—
MR. REDDINGTON: So you don't. The answer's no.
KYLE PAVAO: I do not, no.
MR. REDDINGTON: Okay. So you... Is it fair to say, sir, that, I mean, from your life experience, that when someone has to bring a child, a young baby, to a doctor, you gotta get him dressed, you gotta feed him, you gotta get in the car, you gotta drive, and that's the four-minute ride as well, right?
KYLE PAVAO: I, I'm not, I'm not privy to any of that information.
MR. REDDINGTON: Thank you.
THE COURT: All right. Anything further?
MS. SPRAGUE: No.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you, sir. You can step down. Thank you.